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Post by duke on Feb 28, 2012 21:12:56 GMT -5
www.breitbart.tv/dick-morris-obama-will-lose/Video @ link Dick Morris [former strategist for Bil Clinton's 2nd term] shares that his top reason he believes Obama will lose the election is because that in every Presidential election the undecideds go to the challenger. Morris claims that the trend of undecided votes along with Obama's current standings in the polls in approval and against Mitt Romney make him certain that Obama will lose the 2012 election.
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Post by elgusano on Feb 29, 2012 0:00:22 GMT -5
I think he will lose, but if his opponent is Romney or Santorum, I hope he wins.
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Post by vimeiro on Feb 29, 2012 8:20:57 GMT -5
I think he will lose, but if his opponent is Romney or Santorum, I hope he wins. I think that you should prepare yourself to accept that Romney will be the GOP nominee. You won't support him in the general?
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Post by duke on Feb 29, 2012 10:02:08 GMT -5
Watts has done very well for himself to be sure. Congressman turned lobbyist[Deere & co.] Parleyed into a Deere dealership, then begged for money from the government to support the business.
Welfare the politically well connected, of course is OK. The only bad welfare is for those that cannot work or cannot find work.
Added is that Watts is an ordained minister. What happened to the phrase that "one cannot serve two masters?"
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Post by elgusano on Mar 1, 2012 8:48:05 GMT -5
What two masters is he serving?
And when you are forced to live within a system, you have to play by the rules of that system. I encourage everyone who can to get back some of their hard earned money until the system can be changed.
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Post by duke on Mar 1, 2012 11:22:41 GMT -5
Just how much hard work[/u] does it take to call a stock broker and buy 1,000 shares of Apple-Microsoft or Google then sell in a few years for millions in profit?
Yet you lump these immensely rich people with person flipping burgers, digging a ditch or a teacher.
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Post by elgusano on Mar 1, 2012 21:56:02 GMT -5
It takes lots of capital. How do you get lots of capital? Hard work.
How do you get a college degree? Hard work. Often, hard work to pay for college and to get good grades in college, or hard work to pay off those loans after the hard work of getting good grades.
Or, you can sit home and smoke dope and watch Springer all day, then bitch and whine about how unfair it is that all someone has to do is invest money in stocks and make millions without any hard work at all.
Rich people, burger flippers, and ditch diggers all made choices. Why should the rich people be punished for making better choices?
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Post by duke on Mar 1, 2012 22:29:54 GMT -5
Because most were handed their education and financial contacts by inheritance. added: G.W. Bush is a prime example. All of the Joe Kennedy offspring, another example.
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Post by elgusano on Mar 2, 2012 11:06:17 GMT -5
A very small percentage were handed their education and financial contacts by inheritance. The vast majority earned it.
Did you know the first self-made millionaire in this country was a black woman? (Yet she's not celebrated during the racist Black History Month as a success very often.)
I know many wealthy people, and every single one of them got there through hard work. I also know many people who were handed wealth, and most of them are broke, the rest are far from wealthy.
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Post by vimeiro on Mar 2, 2012 11:12:53 GMT -5
Did you know the first self-made millionaire in this country was a black woman? (Yet she's not celebrated during the racist Black History Month as a success very often.) What was her name?
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Post by truthis on Mar 2, 2012 13:21:28 GMT -5
Did you know the first self-made millionaire in this country was a black woman? (Yet she's not celebrated during the racist Black History Month as a success very often.) What was her name? Madam C.J. Walker is who el gusano is likely referring to She made her wealth from marketing hair care product to primarily black women: pressing combs, oils, hot irons and the likes. She's very much celebrated in the black community and elsewhere throughout the world. So don't listen to old boy el gus' . He doesn't know what he's talking about. Several years ago the U.S. Postal Service honored her with a postage stamp in her memory. I know I have most all the trail blazing blacks in my stamp collection. There's also a Post Card created in her memory by the U.S. Postal Service. If el really was so knowledgeable of blacks and black history, and not just trying to pull something from his hat to use as ammunition, he'd have known this before he opened his mouth.
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Post by vimeiro on Mar 2, 2012 13:28:09 GMT -5
Madam C.J. Walker is who el gusano is likely referring to She made her wealth from marketing hair care product to primarily black women: pressing combs, oils, hot irons and the likes. She's very much celebrated in the black community and elsewhere throughout the world. So don't listen to old boy el gus' . He doesn't know what he's talking about. Several years ago the U.S. Postal Service honored her with a postage stamp in her memory. I know I have most all the trail blazing blacks in my stamp collection. There's also a Post Card created in her memory by the U.S. Postal Service. If el really was so knowledgeable of blacks and black history, and not just trying to pull something from his hat to use as ammunition, he'd have known this before he opened his mouth. She' also not the "first self-made millionaire in this country". Guinness claims that she is the first first woman to become a millionaire by her own achievements. That's a far cry from El G's predictably inaccurate claim.
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Post by truthis on Mar 2, 2012 14:38:39 GMT -5
Madam C.J. Walker is who el gusano is likely referring to She made her wealth from marketing hair care product to primarily black women: pressing combs, oils, hot irons and the likes. She's very much celebrated in the black community and elsewhere throughout the world. So don't listen to old boy el gus' . He doesn't know what he's talking about. Several years ago the U.S. Postal Service honored her with a postage stamp in her memory. I know I have most all the trail blazing blacks in my stamp collection. There's also a Post Card created in her memory by the U.S. Postal Service. If el really was so knowledgeable of blacks and black history, and not just trying to pull something from his hat to use as ammunition, he'd have known this before he opened his mouth. She' also not the "first self-made millionaire in this country". Guinness claims that she is the first first woman to become a millionaire by her own achievements. That's a far cry from El G's predictably inaccurate claim. Yeah, I with you on that one. But el gus is always trying dig up this or that black person verses those "other" black people over there to prove some point only he feels in the need to prove. If his logic were true, then there should be no poor white people in America, but there are. There should be no whites living in public housing, receiving federal benefits but there are many. In fact, there are areas of America where the entire public housing units are made up solely of whites. When they tried to integrate such an area in Texas several years ago the residence protested to keep any and all "minorities" out.LOL
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Post by elgusano on Mar 3, 2012 1:02:42 GMT -5
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Post by elgusano on Mar 3, 2012 1:06:13 GMT -5
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Post by vimeiro on Mar 3, 2012 9:22:33 GMT -5
She isn't the "first self-made millionaire in this country", as you claim. First FEMALE self-made millionaire, perhaps, but that's not what you erroneously claim. Details matter.
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Post by elgusano on Mar 3, 2012 10:43:27 GMT -5
Ah, I see. Since you have no substance, you attack a typo instead of simply pointing out the typo.
Got it.
When your complete ideology is vapid and completely devoid of merit, details matter.
Now to the subject: Most wealthy people earn their money. How about that detail that opposes the "they're all given their money" mantra that progressives like to spew?
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Post by vimeiro on Mar 3, 2012 12:23:33 GMT -5
Ah, I see. Since you have no substance, you attack a typo instead of simply pointing out the typo. Got it. That's not a mere "typo" - it's complete mischaracterization, and it makes a big difference in the discussion. The record is clear now that we have straightened the claim out, and your defensiveness, petulance and ad hominem attacks only make you look weak. Let's get back on topic here.
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Post by elgusano on Mar 3, 2012 16:08:09 GMT -5
So, where's your substance?
Most wealthy people are self-made through their own actions.
Most poor are poor through their own actions.
Anyone in the USA can become wealthy. At least until it's redistributed.
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Post by duke on Mar 3, 2012 16:26:01 GMT -5
What is your net worth Gus? Do you really expect to live long enough to be a billionaire at your current salary level? Of course that may be possible at the current projected inflation rates. The only problem may be that it will cost grand for a loaf of bread or more.
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Post by vimeiro on Mar 3, 2012 18:28:09 GMT -5
So, where's your substance? Most wealthy people are self-made through their own actions. Most poor are poor through their own actions. Anyone in the USA can become wealthy. At least until it's redistributed. Looks like ElG's plan to get wealthy involves the generation of banal, trite, and laughably overgeneralized bumper sticker slogans. Good luck with that!
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Post by Fredo on Mar 3, 2012 18:39:39 GMT -5
Can't argue with that. It's always going to be tough to make the top 1% but the top 5% isn't too tough a nut for most people to crack if they really wanted to do so. Granted, I don't deal with a lot of poor people but the one's I've known are either not that bright and/or place a higher priority on smokes and booze than they do financial security.
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Post by vimeiro on Mar 3, 2012 18:57:38 GMT -5
Can't argue with that. It's always going to be tough to make the top 1% but the top 5% isn't too tough a nut for most people to crack if they really wanted to do so. Let's all take a moment to fully absorb the utter absurdity of the notion that "most people" should be in the top 5% of income earners. Just let the sheer mathematical impossibility of the notion wash over you..... It is amazing what a mince can be made of sound logic, common sense (and in this case, the most basic properties of elementary mathematics) by those who are blinded by burning self-righteousness, callous presumptiousness and sheer prejudice towards those who they see as beneath them.
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Post by elgusano on Mar 4, 2012 2:35:48 GMT -5
Let's take a crack at reading comprehension and look at what Fredo actually wrote instead of the distorted and incomplete version you responded to, shall we?
My net worth is doing just fine. My wife wanted to own a big house, and we own the biggest house on the street. I own my motorcycle and it is paid for. Our RV is paid for. We do owe money on our cars, but one has a zero percent interest rate and the other is a lower rate than our mutual fund returns. I don't go hungry. I give a lot to charity. I will be able to retire at a fairly young age, unless the economy finishes flushing down the toilet, which I expect to happen. I have four children, none of whom steal through government redistribution, and they all believe in their own personal responsibility, even when they make poor choices.
Do you know why?
Because I (and my offspring) don't sit back and whine and cry that someone needs to do it all for me and I just can't do it without a handout using government force.
Even when I was disabled, I did not accept disability payments. My wife simply went back to work and I found a new way to earn money using my brain and my computer.
I know people who make six figure incomes but live in Air Stream trailers. Know why? Because they take living within their means to an extreme, but they have earned every single penny of it through hard work.
But it takes effort.
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Post by vimeiro on Mar 4, 2012 9:51:57 GMT -5
What a riveting story.
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