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Post by CoffeeShooter on Feb 8, 2012 13:22:39 GMT -5
Admittedly, I haven't paid a lot of attention to the goings on with this GOP campaign. All of the sound bites I've heard had Romney & Gingrich as the front runners with RP holding 3rd place. I don't want to know what the pundits have to say about it so I'll ask it here. WTF?
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Post by Fredo on Feb 8, 2012 15:25:21 GMT -5
Your guess is as good as mine. I think the guy's just another nut bag jesus freak who wants to start up an American taliban type government. Evidently some folks either disagree with me or think that's a good idea.
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Post by CoffeeShooter on Feb 8, 2012 18:14:56 GMT -5
On the radio today I heard an interview where a voter voted for RS because she was voting against MR & NG. Stated she never thought he'd win. Makes sense. Either way, once someone gets all the way to Pennsylvania Ave none of it really matters.
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Post by misinglink on Feb 9, 2012 20:30:56 GMT -5
I admit I have not gotten into the debates, but what I have seen has not been anything close to him being a Jesus Freak. Just because someone has faith doesn't mean they all tote crosses across the US. He has not been spouting bible verses and telling everyone they are doomed to hell.
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Post by Fredo on Feb 9, 2012 20:49:26 GMT -5
Give him time. He's one of the nuts who thinks "abstinence only" is a good plan for preventing teen pregnancy and prayer in schools is a neato idea.
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Post by elgusano on Feb 9, 2012 23:08:27 GMT -5
Secular studies are now showing that abstinence only education is what works, and there are many atheists who are pro-life.
Even believing in what is right doesn't make one a Jesus freak.
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Post by Fredo on Feb 10, 2012 15:12:36 GMT -5
He's endorsed by James Dobson. Isn't the endorsement of the American equivalent of Mullah Omar enough to convince you that this guy will spend four years cramming bibles down all of our throats? Personally, I've had quite enough of that in the Bush years.
Prayer in schools-He's for it Gay marriage- He's against it Abortion- We don't talk abortion here Contraception- Opposed Evolution- Unsettled science
Need I say more? He's a bible thumping wackadoodle.
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Post by elgusano on Feb 10, 2012 16:41:06 GMT -5
Lie, Truth, blank, lie, and true.
He's for requiring schools to allow VOLUNTARY prayer by individuals.
He should be against gay marriage, since marriage is a)a Judeo-Christian institution or b) a societal institution intended to continue the race. Neither of which category homosexuals fit into.
He doesn't want to ban abortion. He supported the partial birth abortion ban. Even France doesn't allow that. (In fact, the abortion laws in France are much more restrictive than here.)
He is not opposed to contraception. He is against the federal government forcing religious institutions to pay for it against their doctrinal beliefs.
And natural evolution is unsettled science, even according to those who believe in it.
Basically, Santorum is Ron Paul with a better foreign policy conception.
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Post by Fredo on Feb 10, 2012 23:27:52 GMT -5
Since I'm quite convinced that you're not that naive, I must conclude that you're being deliberately ignorant.
It's true that his campaign puts out the above talking points, but any thinking person can easily conclude that he's one of those folks who parses his words in such a way that he has plausible deniabilty on most of the hot button issues.
Given the power to do so, that dude would have us all living in a theocracy. he's just another American Ahmadena hoositz.
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Post by elgusano on Feb 11, 2012 1:24:38 GMT -5
Based upon what secret insight? ESP?
I am opposed to organized prayer in schools, except for religious schools. (And that would include charter schools that are founded on a religious basis.) However, I am also opposed to prohibiting voluntary prayers in schools. I have been asked to open football banquets with prayers, which would be illegal to the progressive mindset, but it was completely voluntary and completely voluntarily asked for.
And he may personally want to ban abortion, but, unless I am badly mistaken, he wants to leave it up to the states (as it should be) to vote on it (which it never has been). How is that bad?
Have you ever heard him say that he is opposed to contraception? AFAIK, he hasn't. But he is opposed to the Federal government forcing private institutions to pay for it against their beliefs. How is that a bad stance?
And as for natural evolution, I can give you a long list of scientists who either a) don't believe in it or b) doesn't think there's enough evidence to support it yet. (And many of them emphasize the "yet" part of that; they believe it, but admit that it is an unsettled science.) I know of three who became Christians BECAUSE of their chosen field of science.
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Post by duke on Feb 13, 2012 10:17:15 GMT -5
elgusano posted: "I am opposed to organized prayer in schools, except for religious schools. (And that would include charter schools that are founded on a religious basis.) However, I am also opposed to prohibiting voluntary prayers in schools. I have been asked to open football banquets with prayers, which would be illegal to the progressive mindset, but it was completely voluntary and completely voluntarily asked for."
The voluntary part of prayer at a football game is not very voluntary. The players are very unlikely to be excused during the invocation to ‘your God’.
Shoe on the other foot, would you still call the prayer voluntary if you were told you could leave the stands now if you do not want to be present while the local pastor from the Satanic Church offers an invocation. OR the local Mullah offers an invocation to Mohammed?
Note that the football games and other organized sports are still government school sponsored events paid for with tax dollars.
Voluntary prayer where students voluntarily gather on their own initiative for the sole purpose of prayer should be allowed if it does not unreasonably interfere with scheduled classes
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Post by elgusano on Feb 13, 2012 16:02:34 GMT -5
The voluntary part of prayer at a football game is not very voluntary. I've been re-reading what I wrote and I see nothing about football games. Will you please point it out to me? Note that the football games and other organized sports are still government school sponsored events paid for with tax dollars. Funnily, the government there said they didn't have money to support the football team, so the parents got together and raised $25k to run it that year. Also, funnily (in an ironic sort of way), the football boosters not only managed to raise the $25k needed to run football, but they raised much more than that. Then the school tried to say that since football is supported by the government, the football boosters should have to share with the other sports that weren't "lucky" enough to raise that much money. We had put it into a non-school account and they couldn't touch it.
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Post by CoffeeShooter on Feb 13, 2012 16:07:23 GMT -5
One of the better quotes I've read in a while:
Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them. ..... The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom.... I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are?... I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."
- Barry Goldwater, (1909–1998), five-term US Senator, Republican Party nominee for President in 1964*, Maj. Gen., US Air Force Reserves, author of The Conscience of a Conservative.
*(Thanks, Kevin.)
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Post by Fredo on Feb 13, 2012 19:41:53 GMT -5
Nice.
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Post by duke on Feb 13, 2012 19:49:40 GMT -5
elgusano:"I have been asked to open football banquets with prayers, which would be illegal to the progressive mindset, but it was completely voluntary and completely voluntarily asked for." Feb 11@1:24am
That is my answer to your question about where you referenced football games.
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Post by elgusano on Feb 14, 2012 0:01:21 GMT -5
Nothing there at all about a football game.
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Post by Fredo on Feb 17, 2012 14:21:06 GMT -5
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Post by misinglink on Feb 17, 2012 19:12:25 GMT -5
Where is Newt?? On another vacation??
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Post by duke on Feb 17, 2012 21:09:07 GMT -5
Ok Gus I'll concede that you did not use the word game. The events are intertwined however, and the objections I stated would still apply.
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Post by elgusano on Feb 18, 2012 2:41:50 GMT -5
A bunch of the players got together, planned a banquet, and asked me to open it with prayer.
Why is there any objection to that?
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Post by Fredo on Feb 21, 2012 17:43:35 GMT -5
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Post by misinglink on Feb 21, 2012 18:54:44 GMT -5
Thank you for conceding the point!
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Post by Fredo on Feb 21, 2012 20:03:04 GMT -5
Seriously folks. We've got a guy who's now a real contender for the nomination talking ghosts, spirits and hocus pocus.
The Devil? Really Rick? Somebody get that simpleton a calendar.
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Post by wheels on Feb 22, 2012 13:42:58 GMT -5
Seriously folks. We've got a guy who's now a real contender for the nomination talking ghosts, spirits and hocus pocus. The Devil? Really Rick? Somebody get that simpleton a calendar. he was speaking at a Catholic university. speakers tend to talk about religious things at religious universities. besides, this speech was given in 2008, not last week on the campaign trail.
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Post by Fredo on Feb 23, 2012 21:03:38 GMT -5
That just proves that he was an extremist in 2008. The guys a wannabe Christian taliban.
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