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Post by duke on Mar 30, 2012 21:20:36 GMT -5
Scott Walker RECALLED after weakening Unions, cutting their pay, and threatening them with military action Freethought Blogs|Greg Laden The Government Accountability Board in Wisconsin voted unanimously to recall Governor Scott Walker following the submission of a petition with 900,000 signatures. (Only 540,208 signatures were required.) Walker was targeted for recall after he pushed through a law last year that effectively ended collective bargaining rights for most state workers. It also forced the workers to contribute more to their pension and health care costs, which amounted to a cut in pay. Walker told reporters he would be willing to mobilize the National Guard in order to address potential repercussions from unions freethoughtblogs.com/xblog/2012/03/30/scott-walker-recalled-after-weakening-unions-cutting-their-pay-and-threatening-them-with-military-action/
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Post by elgusano on Mar 30, 2012 23:59:53 GMT -5
So, about the same number of people who opposed him in the general election still opposes him, including judges who illegally signed the petition.
Big surprise there.
And as much as the general public realizes just how dangerous unions are, I expect him to be elected again in June.
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Post by Fredo on Mar 31, 2012 7:26:33 GMT -5
Let's hope the unions turn out all the usual suspects and then get thoroughly trounced. He did what every state is going to have to do in order to get public employee compensation under control.
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Post by elgusano on Mar 31, 2012 13:04:30 GMT -5
You just hate the common man, don't you?
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Post by Fredo on Mar 31, 2012 13:27:20 GMT -5
You just hate the common man, don't you? More or less.
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Post by elgusano on Mar 31, 2012 15:29:37 GMT -5
I can tell.
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Post by vimeiro on Apr 2, 2012 13:17:40 GMT -5
Shockingly bad news for Governor Walker today: "A majority of Wisconsin voters now support the effort to recall Republican Governor Scott Walker. A new Rasmussen Reports statewide survey shows that, if the recall election was held today, 52% of Likely Voters would vote to recall Governor Walker and remove him from office. Forty-seven percent (47%) would vote against the recall and let him continue to serve as governor." www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/wisconsin/52_in_wisconsin_support_recall_of_governor_walkerWOW. Walker should know that, when notoriously right-leaning Rasmussen releases these kinds of numbers, he is in deep, deep trouble.
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Post by elgusano on Apr 2, 2012 14:38:34 GMT -5
Too bad people don't understand things like this: The Six States Where Taxes Are SoaringAll six have one thing in common: Forced unionism. Soaring taxes, weak labor markets, plummeting housing values... Nope, no connection at all.
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Post by vimeiro on Apr 2, 2012 14:42:36 GMT -5
Too bad people don't understand things like this: The Six States Where Taxes Are SoaringAll six have one thing in common: Forced unionism. Soaring taxes, weak labor markets, plummeting housing values... Nope, no connection at all. Correlation is not causality. I note that Wisconsin is not on your list.
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Post by elgusano on Apr 2, 2012 15:08:29 GMT -5
Wisconsin is doing something about the problem instead of fueling the fire of the problem.
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Post by vimeiro on Apr 2, 2012 15:10:39 GMT -5
Wisconsin is doing something about the problem instead of fueling the fire of the problem. Well cracking down on unions is going over like a lead balloon with the citizenry, and it looks likely to cost the Governor his job in June.
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Post by Fredo on Apr 2, 2012 18:42:04 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it. Unions have a lot of power to make noise but I think people who work for their living will turn out. I guess we'll see.
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Post by vimeiro on Apr 2, 2012 20:36:28 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it. Unions have a lot of power to make noise but I think people who work for their living will turn out. I guess we'll see. They will turn out - and they will turn Walker out, too.
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Post by elgusano on Apr 2, 2012 23:35:32 GMT -5
If they do, they deserve the bankruptcy.
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Post by vimeiro on Apr 2, 2012 23:50:18 GMT -5
If they do, they deserve the bankruptcy. So do you predict "bankruptcy" for Wisconsin if Walker is recalled? In what sense, precisely? Describe what you mean by this "bankruptcy" that you predict.
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Post by Fredo on Apr 3, 2012 0:50:11 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it. Unions have a lot of power to make noise but I think people who work for their living will turn out. I guess we'll see. They will turn out - and they will turn Walker out, too. I doubt it, but we won't have to wait long to find out. People like governors who do the peoples' business.
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Post by vimeiro on Apr 3, 2012 1:03:39 GMT -5
People like governors who do the peoples' business. Which is why Walker is up for recall in the first place. He got off on a cockamamie union-busting jihad sideshow, and he is going to get smacked mightily by the voters for it.
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Post by Fredo on Apr 3, 2012 1:05:02 GMT -5
We'll see. Perhaps the union goons won't be able to fix this one.
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Post by vimeiro on Apr 3, 2012 1:20:50 GMT -5
We'll see. Perhaps the union goons won't be able to fix this one. And maybe Koch Industries won't be able to find enough suckers to vote against their own self-interest to keep their boy Scottie in his seat.
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Post by elgusano on Apr 3, 2012 15:06:02 GMT -5
This nation has been insolvent since the 90's, and several states are in the same situation and won't cut spending.
Any state that doesn't get its spending under control will be bankrupt, if they are not already.
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Post by vimeiro on Apr 3, 2012 16:14:08 GMT -5
This nation has been insolvent since the 90's, and several states are in the same situation and won't cut spending. Any state that doesn't get its spending under control will be bankrupt, if they are not already. Since it is not a matter of reorganization or liquidation a la corporate bankruptcy in Ch 7 or Ch 11, can you explain exactly what happens when a state goes "bankrupt"? You seem terribly worried about it, so please - tell us what the consequences will be if states don't fire scads of public employees (ie, teachers, firemen, police). What horrible fate awaits Wisconsin if the right to collectively bargain is preserved and Governor Walker is sent back to his cage in the Koch compound?
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Post by elgusano on Apr 3, 2012 22:58:53 GMT -5
For starters, they won't be paying all that excess baggage. They won't be paying their other obligations. Their credit rating will tank. IOW, it will force them to fire a bunch of public employees and deny the union extortion. Kind of like what happens when anyone tries to spend more than they make. (Except the US government; they simply print more money and devalue the rest of the currency in circulation.) Did a quick Google and came up with a decent, but concise, article at the top of the list: What Happens When a State Goes Bankrupt?
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Post by vimeiro on Apr 3, 2012 23:23:10 GMT -5
So the consequence of not curtting union benefits is that union benefits will have to be cut? WTF? Why do you even bother obsessing about it if you think that this is the inevitable outcome either way?
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Post by elgusano on Apr 4, 2012 20:44:33 GMT -5
Just like an individual, they would be better off taking care of the problem BEFORE bankruptcy. Nip it in the bud.
You know, things like a homeowner might sell his ski boat and have the satellite with 3000 channels disconnected before having his home foreclosed?
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Post by vimeiro on Apr 4, 2012 21:05:42 GMT -5
Just like an individual, they would be better off taking care of the problem BEFORE bankruptcy. Nip it in the bud. You have not provided a single reason why that would be preferable.
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