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Post by elgusano on Apr 4, 2012 21:23:23 GMT -5
Perhaps because it's the honest thing to do, but then again, we're talking about liberals, so there will be no understanding.
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Post by vimeiro on Apr 4, 2012 22:15:42 GMT -5
Perhaps because it's the honest thing to do, but then again, we're talking about liberals, so there will be no understanding. Why is it more "honest" to lay off union members now rather than later? The net effect is the same in your scenario.
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Post by elgusano on Apr 5, 2012 7:56:00 GMT -5
It's more honest (as well as honorable) to quit spending money you don't have instead of screwing over your creditors intentionally.
If a homeowner knew he was bankrupt, would it be honest to buy another boat just because he could get away with it?
No integrity to keep spending more than you can afford.
And who said anything about laying them off at this point? So far, just some cutbacks to the level of the real world.
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Post by vimeiro on Apr 5, 2012 8:43:04 GMT -5
If a homeowner knew he was bankrupt, would it be honest to buy another boat just because he could get away with it? Another elgusano howler. Buying "another boat" (which is frivolous) and paying for policemen, firefighters and teachers (who are critical elements of a functioning society) are not even close to equivalent.
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Post by duke on Apr 7, 2012 16:41:35 GMT -5
Ahead of Recall Walker Signs Anti-Women Bills By Associated Press 07 April 12 ov. Scott Walker quietly signed a set of contentious GOP bills barring abortion coverage through health insurance exchanges, requiring doctors to consult privately with women seeking abortions and mandating sex education teachers stress abstinence. Walker, a Republican, signed the bills Thursday but didn't announce the move until midday Friday, when his office released a list of more than 50 bills he signed Thursday and Friday. Walker's spokesman, Cullen Werwie, said it was simpler to lump all the bills signed over the two days into one announcement. Democrats have ripped the measures as an all-out attack on women. They heaped criticism on the governor Friday, calling the delay in announcing the signings cowardly and the bills bizarre social policy. "Perhaps he thought that in doing this behind closed doors, with no public notice, before a holiday weekend for many families, his actions would go unnoticed. He was wrong. We will not be silent - these issues are too important to ignore," Rep. Kelda Helen Roys, D-Madison, said in a statement. <snip> readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/10840-focus-ahead-of-recall-walker-signs-anti-women-bills
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Post by Fredo on May 28, 2012 8:05:41 GMT -5
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Post by duke on May 28, 2012 11:18:30 GMT -5
It will not be the first time Americans have voted a recalled person back into office. A widely know name will often win over a lessor known. Many fear taking a chance on the unknown.
Winning a popular election does not always indicate a popular mandate where the opponent is not very well known or has other baggage.
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Post by elgusano on May 28, 2012 14:40:31 GMT -5
It just couldn't be that most people support his pro-liberty stance, could it?
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Post by duke on May 28, 2012 17:11:38 GMT -5
It is not who votes, but who counts the votes.
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Post by Fredo on May 28, 2012 18:53:31 GMT -5
It will not be the first time Americans have voted a recalled person back into office. A widely know name will often win over a lessor known. Many fear taking a chance on the unknown. Winning a popular election does not always indicate a popular mandate where the opponent is not very well known or has other baggage. Sounds like the sort of mealy-mouthed nonsense that comes from losers. Looks like most people figured out that allowing unions to vote themselves raises from the public till wasn't as popular as the usual band of pinkos would have us believe.
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Post by duke on May 29, 2012 10:25:09 GMT -5
Kochs Offer Illinois Residents Free Food, Trips to Wisconsin to Support Walker By Lee Fang, Republic Report 29 May 12 readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/11663-kochs-offer-illinois-residents-free-food-trips-to-wisconsin-to-support-walker David Koch, co-owner of the Koch Industries petrochemical, manufacturing and commodity speculation fortune, hasn't been shy about supporting Governor Scott Walker (R-WI), whose controversial union-busting agenda has forced a recall election this summer. Earlier this year, Koch told the Palm Beach Post: "We're helping him, as we should. We've gotten pretty good at this over the years. We've spent a lot of money in Wisconsin. We're going to spend more." Indeed, Koch has spent millions through the Republic Governors Association, through a network of attack-ad airing front groups, and financed a set of local Wisconsin think tanks to show support for Walker. Now, it appears, Koch is spending money even in Illinois to help save Walker. Americans for Prosperity, a group founded by the Koch brothers, is advertising bus trips with free food for Illinois residents who commit to traveling to Wisconsin to help Walker: The buses leave from Chicago, Homer Glen, and Palatine on June 2nd - just days before the Wisconsin recall election. As Koch mentioned, his political machine has "gotten pretty good at this over the years." Here's a video I shot of Koch providing dozens of free buses for anti-health reform protesters back in 2009: A similar strategy played out back in 1993. As ThinkProgress reported: Koch's AFP has a long history of marshaling "grassroots" support for GOP objectives. In the early 1990s, AFP, then known as Citizens for a Sound Economy, worked secretly with then-Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA) to organize angry crowds following the Clintons as they touted their health reform bill. Industry money from health insurance, telecommunications, oil, and other companies has flowed freely to AFP over the years to help AFP promote an agenda of boosting the rich, stripping consumer safeguards, and maintaining corporate monopolies. readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/11663-kochs-offer-illinois-residents-free-food-trips-to-wisconsin-to-support-walkerLots of out of state money helps, doesn't it?
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Post by wheels on May 29, 2012 12:45:27 GMT -5
It is not who votes, but who counts the votes. so if walker wins, it was rigged? i doubt i've ever met anyone so closed-minded.
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Post by Fredo on May 29, 2012 19:15:46 GMT -5
It is not who votes, but who counts the votes. so if walker wins, it was rigged? i doubt i've ever met anyone so closed-minded. That's the way it works with that type. If the conservatives win it was rigged, if the lefty pinko commies win it's the "voice of the people".
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Post by elgusano on Jun 5, 2012 22:10:54 GMT -5
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Post by duke on Jun 5, 2012 23:13:35 GMT -5
Corporate interests wins! But Walker fought back, arguing that he had made the 'tough choices' needed to balance the state's budget and free school districts from excessive costs. He also raised about $30 million, using a feature of the state's recall law that allowed him to take unlimited contributions from supporters, many of them from out of state. Outside groups on both sides have poured money into the state, making the recall by far the most expensive race in Wisconsin history. With more than $60 million spent overall, Walker and groups supporting him have had close to a 3:1 financial advantage over groups supporting the Democratic candidate, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett. www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/la-wisconsin-governor-beats-recall,0,4769607.story
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Post by Fredo on Jun 6, 2012 7:29:45 GMT -5
Spin it any way you like but the simple fact is that the people don't like unions voting themselves pay raises from the public till. Take that union graft.
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Post by duke on Jun 6, 2012 8:22:40 GMT -5
Everyone expects others to provide services for free, or nearly free. Service providers have always had a difficult time getting paid a fair wage while sales people managed to get paid handsomely.
Mega Manufacturer Caterpillar Demands Concessions From Workers After Boosting CEO Pay By 60 Percent. Where is the graft here?
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Post by wheels on Jun 6, 2012 12:03:10 GMT -5
Everyone expects others to provide services for free, or nearly free. Service providers have always had a difficult time getting paid a fair wage while sales people managed to get paid handsomely. Mega Manufacturer Caterpillar Demands Concessions From Workers After Boosting CEO Pay By 60 Percent. Where is the graft here?have you ever checked out the salaries of union leaders? i'm sure most of their members don't realize how much the bosses make off their dues.
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Post by duke on Jun 6, 2012 13:20:44 GMT -5
have you ever checked out the salaries of union leaders? i'm sure most of their members don't realize how much the bosses make off their dues. Yes I have have seen some numbers that are excessive, like many CEOs. Unions are too much like a second layer of government. Taking money before the worker even see it. Yet, like government, it has and can be beneficial. It is up to the voters to correct the abuses. Also like government, unions are often very corrupt.
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Post by Sgt K USMC on Jun 6, 2012 15:50:28 GMT -5
Looks like the voters did just that and made sure the guy taking care of the corruption got to keep his job.
And since we are floating around the million upon million of dollars brought into this campaign from out of state…
Why no mention of the 20 million the unions brought in, ADDED to the DNC funds.
If the unions are like the government, and the government is corrupt… then why go out of your way to defend them against a guy who is trying to put them under control?
Pretty classic case of a poli actually doing the right thing for the little guy… but because one of the big fish union thugs was against it, every resource was brought to bear against him.
The tide has turned… the unions lost, DEMOCRACY won.
Which is likely why the progs are so upset right now… they just cant handle it when the voice of the people is louder than those they have chosen to be the idols…
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Post by duke on Jun 6, 2012 16:57:27 GMT -5
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Post by duke on Jun 6, 2012 17:42:09 GMT -5
Where did you get a 20 mil for Barrett the unions presumable spent? Not on this election. Yes in the recall. The total raised and spent is as follows: Barrett for Wisconsin TOTAL FUNDS RAISED $3,938,626 AVERAGE SIZE OF CONTRIBUTION $89 Friends of Scott Walker TOTAL FUNDS RAISED $30,492,466 AVERAGE SIZE OF CONTRIBUTION $125 Barrett getting 75% from in state and Walker getting about 60% from out of state. www.jsonline.com/watchdog/dataondemand/140931763.html
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Post by Fredo on Jun 6, 2012 19:21:04 GMT -5
Let's just get back to the point of this thing. Who thinks it's a good idea for public employee unions to hold the kind of sway that they do in most states.
My opinion: "We'll deliver the votes if you deliver the pay raises is mos certainly not in the public interest."
I've got a real love/hate opinion of labor unions in general but the influence held by public employee unions is detrimental to the successful operation of nearly every state. (probably every state, but you never know what odd tidbit can be dug up by people with unlimited time)
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Post by duke on Jun 7, 2012 9:11:39 GMT -5
What is the problem with the elected officials that can't say no when demands outstrip resources, or reasonableness?
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Post by Fredo on Jun 7, 2012 11:34:28 GMT -5
What is the problem with the elected officials that can't say no when demands outstrip resources, or reasonableness? The problem is that state employee unions use their resources to deliberately elect people who will increase their pay at the expense of all other concerns. They literally prevent the election of the politicians who would say no to them.
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