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Post by Fredo on Oct 6, 2010 7:37:13 GMT -5
we're talking an 18 year old kid... if he is going to make an average of $577.00 a week cutting grass... then he is really going to have to make $1154.00 a week during yard season... i wish him good luck with that... . You can make that fairly easily by cutting grass, cleaning gutters, raking leaves, putting up Christmas lights and other odd jobs that require very little investment. You just gotta get out there and work.
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Post by manlyman on Oct 6, 2010 9:08:22 GMT -5
There used to be a kid in our neighborhood that cut peoples lawns. He started doing that in middle school. Two years out of high school he had a crew of 5, two trucks w/ trailers, riding mowers, push mowers, weed whackers, etc. Last I heard from his parents, he was doing quite well.
Of course for every success there are probably a thousand failures.
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Post by Diremaker on Oct 6, 2010 10:14:10 GMT -5
My wife has returned to school. She is taking online courses to obtain a degree in business management... all while making 30k per yer.
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Post by chatornookie on Oct 6, 2010 10:38:08 GMT -5
we're talking an 18 year old kid... if he is going to make an average of $577.00 a week cutting grass... then he is really going to have to make $1154.00 a week during yard season... i wish him good luck with that... . You can make that fairly easily by cutting grass, cleaning gutters, raking leaves, putting up Christmas lights and other odd jobs that require very little investment. You just gotta get out there and work. perhaps during good times... when folks are willing to pay for such rather than do it themselves... but... here's the problem with your "idea"... doing odd jobs and mowing yards for 4yrs... is NOT going to give the kid the kid of work experience that an employer wants on a rez... hence, it's still better if the kid furthers his education... JMHO. .
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Post by Diremaker on Oct 6, 2010 10:59:59 GMT -5
You can make that fairly easily by cutting grass, cleaning gutters, raking leaves, putting up Christmas lights and other odd jobs that require very little investment. You just gotta get out there and work. perhaps during good times... when folks are willing to pay for such rather than do it themselves... but... here's the problem with your "idea"... doing odd jobs and mowing yards for 4yrs... is NOT going to give the kid the kid of work experience that an employer wants on a rez... hence, it's still better if the kid furthers his education... JMHO. . Yeah, then they can mow grass to pay off their college loans. But thanks to a college education, they will be better qualified yard workers.
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Post by chatornookie on Oct 6, 2010 12:50:40 GMT -5
perhaps during good times... when folks are willing to pay for such rather than do it themselves... but... here's the problem with your "idea"... doing odd jobs and mowing yards for 4yrs... is NOT going to give the kid the kid of work experience that an employer wants on a rez... hence, it's still better if the kid furthers his education... JMHO. . Yeah, then they can mow grass to pay off their college loans. But thanks to a college education, they will be better qualified yard workers. if they wish... which they likely won't... however... they will have their degree... and will stand a better chance of landing a better job... unless, of course, they plan to go into the landscaping business... if so... they can learn business management from the SBA & IRS & SSA... or from the innerwebz... or they can just wing it and hope they get it right... *shrug* .
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Post by wheels on Oct 7, 2010 22:40:30 GMT -5
my parents fell in that category where they didn't make enough to pay for my college, but made too much for financial aid. i started college w/ an academic work scholarship. that paid most of my tuition. student loans paid the rest. i lost that scholarship during my junior year and had to get student loans for the rest of my education. sure, that sucks, but i've got less than $10K left on my student loans and i've got a pretty good engineering job.
i don't see why people are so opposed to student loans. the interest rate is low and the USDOE is very willing to work w/ you on payments. i got a good education and i get to make payments on it w/ the pay i got from the job i got w/ the education i got from the university i paid w/ the money i got from the student loans. that sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
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Post by elgusano on Oct 7, 2010 22:51:44 GMT -5
I've paid cash for almost all college classes that I have taken. I also had academic scholarships that helped. But, all it takes is hard work. I took my first college classes when I was in high school, starting at age 15, so didn't have to work as hard, but after marrying, I had to work 48-60 hours per week to support my family, which left me enough to pay for my classes also. Employers have paid for some of my other college classes. I'm looking to go back now and get more, and I'm hoping for old-geezer grants.
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Post by chatornookie on Oct 8, 2010 6:47:53 GMT -5
i don't see why people are so opposed to student loans. the interest rate is low and the USDOE is very willing to work w/ you on payments. i got a good education and i get to make payments on it w/ the pay i got from the job i got w/ the education i got from the university i paid w/ the money i got from the student loans. that sounds like a pretty good deal to me. i agree 100% .
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Post by Fredo on Oct 8, 2010 8:50:52 GMT -5
my parents fell in that category where they didn't make enough to pay for my college, but made too much for financial aid. i started college w/ an academic work scholarship. that paid most of my tuition. student loans paid the rest. i lost that scholarship during my junior year and had to get student loans for the rest of my education. sure, that sucks, but i've got less than $10K left on my student loans and i've got a pretty good engineering job. i don't see why people are so opposed to student loans. the interest rate is low and the USDOE is very willing to work w/ you on payments. i got a good education and i get to make payments on it w/ the pay i got from the job i got w/ the education i got from the university i paid w/ the money i got from the student loans. that sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Student loans for a degree that will actually get you a decent job are on thing, but I think way too many people end up with $50k in student loans so that they can get a $30k job.
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Post by elgusano on Oct 8, 2010 9:28:04 GMT -5
I've seen quite a few jobs that require a degree that pay much less than 30k, Fredo. Education is important but the entire "everyone deserves a college education" attitude has put too much emphasis on the piece of paper, and the end result has been lower quality education so everyone can get one.
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Post by Fredo on Oct 8, 2010 15:24:49 GMT -5
I've seen quite a few jobs that require a degree that pay much less than 30k, Fredo. Education is important but the entire "everyone deserves a college education" attitude has put too much emphasis on the piece of paper, and the end result has been lower quality education so everyone can get one. That kind of brings me back to my original point. Given that a person can make a very respectable living without a degree, is it worth it to go into debt or handicap your own retirement to provide one? I say no.
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Post by elgusano on Oct 10, 2010 0:01:08 GMT -5
It's becoming more and more difficult to make a living without one. I've seen hotels listing for janitors and they expect a degree, and they pay below the median income. I saw one advertised here in Dallas that wants applicants to have a degree, it pays $7.50 an hour, and you can advance to $9.00 per hour.
And the things you can get degrees in is getting ridiculous as well.
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