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Post by newuser on Aug 13, 2008 16:31:12 GMT -5
We had a problem when my son was in the 7th grade. He thought by ignoring assignments he was getting away with not doing them. We called and had a meeting with all his teachers and most of them were eager to help. Most of them offered to write in his agenda every day and his homeroom teacher would check to see if he had all the books he needed before coming home. Once he figured out everyone was ganging up on him, he decided it was easier to do the work than try to get around us all. One administrator in the meeting of the minds said if our son was lying to us, he was the only 7th grader to lie and something was seriously wrong in our home. The majority of them were eager to help, but the one administrator wanted to just blame the parents.
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Post by slobberchops on Aug 13, 2008 16:46:22 GMT -5
When I first read the topic post.. I admit - I thought to myself.. more homework are these people crazy. Look, I just went through 5th grade 2-3 hrs. a night and projects once a month. Not including my other children, here. Thats the stance I was coming from Sugar. I had no idea homework decreased by grade promotion. Our county was just on the news about a month ago because of low state testing scores. If this give any indication. But what the news failed to tell is the reason why scores were so low. Even though I have a child who is LD - his CRCT score is still factored into the county/school average. But on Federal level, they made a few changes to the law (NCLB) about how the test would be presented to those with minor LD problems. They put a cap on the amount of LD-children who normally would be allowed special intruction. I'm sure it brought the scores down so low... (Children with learning problems having to take the test in regular sitting and instruction and be included in the score total ) Pathetic way for the feds to manuever , the not having to shell out NCLB funding to states. IMO. But now all students get a break on homework.. It's like opposite day, or something. But this is not a silly day.. it's our childrens' education we're playing with. It makes no sense to me. I'm not a teacher of academics. I'm impatient. I'm Nurse Ratchet teacher style.. LMAO! I make no bones about it. And so, I feel my 'teaching" them just might screw up any confidence or self-esteem they have in regards to school/learning. Look, I'm a jack of all trades.. but I will be the first to tell you... not a daycare lady nor a school teacher. I feel but I can't heal. ;D
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Post by knightstemplar on Aug 13, 2008 17:53:21 GMT -5
i'm not sure how this happened but my son loves to bring home school work.
makes me wonder...who the babies Daddy is? the little dude is really smart. i mean he has other issues llike most boys, but all his teachers say that he has the school work part down!!
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Post by sugarcane on Aug 13, 2008 18:04:01 GMT -5
When I first read the topic post.. I admit - I thought to myself.. more homework are these people crazy. Look, I just went through 5th grade 2-3 hrs. a night and projects once a month. Not including my other children, here. Thats the stance I was coming from Sugar. I had no idea homework decreased by grade promotion. Our county was just on the news about a month ago because of low state testing scores. If this give any indication. But what the news failed to tell is the reason why scores were so low. Even though I have a child who is LD - his CRCT score is still factored into the county/school average. But on Federal level, they made a few changes to the law (NCLB) about how the test would be presented to those with minor LD problems. They put a cap on the amount of LD-children who normally would be allowed special intruction. I'm sure it brought the scores down so low... (Children with learning problems having to take the test in regular sitting and instruction and be included in the score total ) Pathetic way for the feds to manuever , the not having to shell out NCLB funding to states. IMO. But now all students get a break on homework.. It's like opposite day, or something. But this is not a silly day.. it's our childrens' education we're playing with. It makes no sense to me. I'm not a teacher of academics. I'm impatient. I'm Nurse Ratchet teacher style.. LMAO! I make no bones about it. And so, I feel my 'teaching" them just might screw up any confidence or self-esteem they have in regards to school/learning. Look, I'm a jack of all trades.. but I will be the first to tell you... not a daycare lady nor a school teacher. I feel but I can't heal. ;D I understand what you're saying in your last paragraph. I would suggest that you get your husband to help out or hire a tutor for a couple of hours a week. Our school systems are failing for many reasons. There is plenty of blame to go around.
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Post by 502blue on Aug 13, 2008 18:14:30 GMT -5
I don't know what high schools aren't giving homework, ,but that's not happening at my kids HS. Between the projects, slide shows, power point presentations, extra credit papers, it is endless, not extreme ,but endless.
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Post by slobberchops on Aug 15, 2008 7:50:47 GMT -5
BLUE: I had a middle school teacher tell me the other day that homework tappers off. My children go to school in catoosa county. I asked my son more about the homework issue. He said on the first day, they gave any reasons during class. He said they didn't have enough text books to assign each student. And most of the text books werent available on line. So, they share them w/ minimal homework assignments. *shrug Elementary and middle schools opting to spend its funding on security guards/sex & drug prevention junk .. over text books. It's a Snowball growing, IMO. Whatever happened to some stern male teacher cracking a few asses that disrupted the learning of other students. (Mr. Bishop comes to mind -- *snickers)
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Post by sugarcane on Aug 15, 2008 10:38:25 GMT -5
BLUE: I had a middle school teacher tell me the other day that homework tappers off. My children go to school in catoosa county. I asked my son more about the homework issue. He said on the first day, they gave any reasons during class. He said they didn't have enough text books to assign each student. And most of the text books werent available on line. So, they share them w/ minimal homework assignments. *shrug Elementary and middle schools opting to spend its funding on security guards/sex & drug prevention junk .. over text books. It's a Snowball growing, IMO. Whatever happened to some stern male teacher cracking a few asses that disrupted the learning of other students. (Mr. Bishop comes to mind -- *snickers) It is the beginning of the school year. They will get enough books in the next couple of weeks. You're doing nothing but making excuses to bitch.
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Post by slobberchops on Aug 15, 2008 10:51:13 GMT -5
All I can Miz.Cain..... maybe you will understand a parents perspective, ONCE your children start public school. FYI- text books are normally assigned within a couple of days. NOT weeks. I'm conversing and voicing my concerns. With a BA in human learning. .. if such a paper exists.. you should know the difference, eh?
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Post by manlyman on Aug 15, 2008 12:43:22 GMT -5
It is the beginning of the school year. They will get enough books in the next couple of weeks. You're doing nothing but making excuses to bitch. My daughter's high school psychology and calculus classes only have one set of books. No taking them home, period. They get their homework assignments and study materials via paper handouts.
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Post by Laura Rice on Aug 15, 2008 12:45:39 GMT -5
It is the beginning of the school year. They will get enough books in the next couple of weeks. You're doing nothing but making excuses to bitch. My daughter's high school psychology and calculus classes only have one set of books. No taking them home, period. They get their homework assignments and study materials via paper handouts. My son's Algebra2 and Chemistry classes are doing the same thing. Not enough books....
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Post by emanon on Aug 15, 2008 12:52:04 GMT -5
I am just thrilled to read that your kids are taking calculus, algebra2 and chem.
I talked to some kids a few years ago, and it seemed like they were not taking very many "real" classes. Yay to your kids and you guys.
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Post by copperhead on Aug 15, 2008 12:53:03 GMT -5
Whatever Hamilton County's shelling $$ out on, it sure isn't books.
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Post by 502blue on Aug 15, 2008 12:56:24 GMT -5
Luckily for myself, my daughter has no classes this year, which require text books, except for her Dual enrollment english. I have to purchase that book from Chattanooga State. She had no more classes she could take, so her other classes are clinical, which will be mostly done off campus. My son hasn't mentioned anything about text books, so i would assume they have them to cover. They might not have enough books, because the parents of kids who LOSE or destroy the damn things, refuse to pay for them, citing "indigent". They should be turned over to collections.
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Post by sugarcane on Aug 15, 2008 13:02:37 GMT -5
Often times, a school's enrollment is larger than expected in certain subjects. They order books from the publishers which might take a little while to come in. It sucks but it is not uncommon.
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Post by raphael on Aug 15, 2008 13:03:01 GMT -5
My girl graduated 3rd in her class and is currently going to UTC studying to be a teacher. My boy is in 11th and first in his class. They both are in all the honors classes and "gifted" classes. And no neither studied and got burnt out 6 hours a day. They probably average around 1 to 2 hours a day doing most of it at school during "down time". Jeez how many kids get burned out doing so much homework like 3 and 4 hours a day. No life kids who want to be doctors maybe. Well good for them if that's what they want and not their parents or teachers.
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Post by sugarcane on Aug 15, 2008 13:03:15 GMT -5
It is the beginning of the school year. They will get enough books in the next couple of weeks. You're doing nothing but making excuses to bitch. My daughter's high school psychology and calculus classes only have one set of books. No taking them home, period. They get their homework assignments and study materials via paper handouts. That's kind of the point. No book shouldn't mean no homework if homework is needed.
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Post by Laura Rice on Aug 15, 2008 13:10:02 GMT -5
At Sequoyah due to the block periods, they give them time to do their homework in class. I think this is a great idea, as well, because if Manchild doesn't understand some of that Algebra2 the teacher can help him with it while he is there.
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Post by slobberchops on Aug 15, 2008 13:19:22 GMT -5
Funny homework story:
When my son was in 4th grade he had a weekend book report project. His handwriting was so awful that I made the little fellow re-write it several times. (at least 4) So.... come monday morning.. I'm doing the drop the kids off at school ritual. As he goes to get out of the car and grab his bookbag.. my daughter 1.5 at the time, had pulled his book report out of his bookbag and was chewing and slobbering all over the thing. He was so upset.. she refused to let go of it and it tore.
He looks at me and says: what am I suppose to tell the teacher? I told him, tell her the truth! Your sister ate it. LMAO! Not satisfied nor tickled, he starts huffing. I told him to take it in, show his teacher and explain what happened. Maybe she would have mercy and let him re-write it during "down time". His teacher thought it was funny.. and lucky for him. As he wasn't required to re-do the work.
I just wonder what all kinds of stories teachers have heard, ya know?
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Post by 502blue on Aug 15, 2008 13:56:04 GMT -5
A not so funny, that just happened. This is why I state over and over, parents need to be the guardians of their childs education, you can not expect the schools to do so.
Last year, the kids could sign up for their classes this year. My daughter, along with others, signed up for the dual enrollment for their senior year. You signed up with the help of your guidance counselor at the time. This is the same guidance counselor who stated to myself, and my daughter, she shouldn't expect alot of scholarships since she was white(guidance counselor is black). I informed her, she didn't have to EXPECT a scholarships based on her race, her academics would cover that! (stupid bitch, anyway) So, since I am aware of how dual enrollment works, I was semi-prepared for the class. The class was told Wednesday, all fees had to be paid by Friday. NONE of the paperwork, for enrolling at Chatt State was given to these kids. These kids have to have the guidance counselor/principal, sign off on a few and then taken to chatt state to enroll as a student, present transcripts (like parents have those handy) and pay the fee for the credit hours. All in two days. HAD the guidance counselor given that paperwork to the students when they signed up LAST YEAR, most of these talented kids would not be having to drop out of this class now. STUPID STUPID STUPID. This is why I say, you cover your kids education, no one else is going to. Honor kids teachers usually help out, ALOT. Thanks to those teachers my kid has had. FYI, these parents could of also been saving the money, not everyone can slap down 400-800 dollars in a two day notice. They were also probably not aware of the dual enrollment grant which gives back 600 of that money.
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Post by kordax on Aug 15, 2008 14:04:11 GMT -5
So Blue, is your daughter still able to enroll in the Chatt State program or did the derelict guidance counselor screw it up for this semester?
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Post by 502blue on Aug 15, 2008 14:07:53 GMT -5
Nope, she is enrolled, because I had already gotten the paperwork printed online from the Chatt State website. But, that guidance counselor messed it up for alot of kids. Problem is going to be now, if 10 students aren't enrolled, they drop the class, which leaves my daughter out in the cold. I am working on this now. If the class is dropped at the HS, I will surely be able to have her in a class at the Chatt State location its self.
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Post by kordax on Aug 15, 2008 14:33:19 GMT -5
Suggestion: If you or other parents are able to determine that the other kids have been disadvantaged by a derelict skool employee, seems to me that Ham Co skool administrators will make things right if you're insistent. Find out if other skools handled similar students more effectively with their guidance people -- perhaps you can frighten the rogue guidance person into doing immediate backflips to help you & the other kids out of this jam.
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Post by manlyman on Aug 15, 2008 14:47:13 GMT -5
"she shouldn't expect alot of scholarships since she was white(guidance counselor is black)"
Please, please, please forgive me because this sounds so much like a wildmanism, BUT, if the the roles here had been reversed (child black, counselor white) and the child was told don't expect a lot of scholarships because of your color, can you imagine the hell that would ensue. I really think you should go to the principal and demand an apology from the "guidance counselor".
BTW, my son (who is as white as they come (blonde hair, blue eyes) was offered 8 or 10 full scholarships to college. If your child has the grades, the extracurricular activities and the outside interests that colleges are looking for now, I wouldn't sweat the racial BS this "counselor" is trying to blow up your butt.
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Post by slobberchops on Aug 15, 2008 17:08:23 GMT -5
The GC is probably one of those "paycheck" people. Who have no business in a school setting. There is a difference!
I'm sorry your daughter is going through this Blue, you too for that matter.. but your posting this situation helps to inform me of possible errors or letting the ball drop .. as to a HS future reference. My child will be going next year.
So Thanks for sharing. I wish I could help.
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Post by 502blue on Aug 16, 2008 12:37:45 GMT -5
Manly, since our kids went / going to the same school, ask them about her, they will know! yeah, i am not worried about her scholarships, she will get academic, probably full from UT since they started handing them based on merit and not color. This with the GC started last year, when I tried to get my kid signed up for her ONLY credit she needed, so she could go to college early. Well, they didn't exactly want to lose the money they were getting for her, and the "high marks" she helped them get since she is a star roll kid. Take one of those away and you lose money and points..............shame they don't want them to excel to keep the school looking good for the moment. Too bad for them, she will be done in half this year, and off to college we go yep, it always helps to post problems and procedures so other parents will know when the time comes. She started early with HS credits in middle school, so I guess they weren't prepared for a student with such a headstart and threw them for a loop, so I had to take most matters in my own hands when it came to signing up for classes year after year, or else she would of wound up on the average track, and the head start would had been for nothing.
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